GRRR: The Geometry of Reshaping, Rotation, and Routing in Decoder LLM post-training

arXiv:2609.22146 · cs.LG, cs.CL · Submitted 2026-08-26 · Read on arXiv

cs.LG, cs.CL

Submitted: 2026-08-26

Updated: 2026-08-26

License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

The gist: We study how post-training changes the weights of Large Language Models (LLMs) relative to their pretrained weights.

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We study how post-training changes the weights of Large Language Models (LLMs) relative to their pretrained weights. Across 12 post-training chains with supervised fine-tuning (SFT) and reinforcement learning (RL), we express each weight update in the pretrained matrix's singular value decomposition (SVD) frame. This decomposition separates the changes of three geometrically distinct components: diagonal values, which reshapes singular values; off-diagonal values, which rotates the coupling between pretrained input and output directions; and null-space values, which routes outside the matrix's original nonzero SVD core. On a math evaluation suite, we find that removing the diagonal component usually preserves most of the gains from post-training. These results suggest that post-training gains are carried primarily by reconfiguring and extending pretrained pathways rather than by substantially changing singular values of pre-trained models.

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